One of my students scored this triball today while practicing in class. There are two points breaking the plane of PVC pipe but given that the triball is resting on the PVC and projecting above the net, we were wondering if this would count as being in the goal? I realize the likelihood of this happening again is slim, but to me this should count. Just wanted to rea
Any tribals under the net having 2 corners inside the plane of the goal should be considered a point. So for me I’d say it’s a goal but I don’t know how the judges would count this as 
I do not believe that this is scored. If you look at rule [] it states that the tribal must be under the goal, and this is above the goal in some areas, so I think it is not scored but would need others to double check. We also got a triball like this in a tournament, and it was scored as if it was in the offensive zone
I’d recommend taking a look at how a goal is defined within the game manual (specifically how it is defined in a scoring context) as well as SC3.
In my opinion, its scored
The manual mentions that two corners of the triball must be within the goal, or otherwise under the net and within the plane of the goal. I don’t think that the triball would be considered not scored solely because there are parts of the triball beyond the three-dimensional space of the goal.
If you are not sure, you do not need to post. The OP asked a RTM question, and @Samuel_Yao answered it perfectly.
If you read carefully, @Korndog asked us for our
opinions as well
Honestly, for this case, the only opinions that matter is the manual (if it can talk) or the referee’s.
Sharing unfounded opinions or opinions that may not be correct might caused more harm than help.
Eg. in your other thread about removing the motor cap - are you gonna based your decisions on some others’ opinions? Or based on the manual?
If you are gonna based your decision on some wrong “opinions”, then you are gonna have lots of “fun and excitement” during robot inspections.
My advice to you is this - only share your opinions if you are sure it is correct and factual (and provided the person really asked for it). Else, a “no comment” will be the wiser choice.
Yeah, you’re right.
However, in light of a black-or-white rule like this, opinions matter not.
@Micahy321 @meng
Sorry and thank you
I’ll make sure that I use proper rules as evidence if I want to say something.
In one of my recent competitions, my team scored a few triballs like that, and the referees said they do not count.
I work as a referee at some Northeast Wisconsin tournaments. I would have to verify with a head ref, but to my knowledge this counts as scored and meets all requirements. At least 2 corners have broken the plane of the goal, and it is not breaking any other rules.
Honestly, It would not count unless the 2 corners of the tribal is inside of the goal, irregular of whether it is under the goal or not. The only thing they want is 2 corners in the goal.
This has happened to us at a tournament, and it was ruled as in the goal (5 points).
I think it’s more ref discretion, but it should be considered in in my opinion as there are two points in the goal.
Absolutely not - the Game Manual is specific as to what is the Goal:
If two of the corners cross the outer scoring boundaries, and if under the net, it is scored.
Not opinion, definition of scored SC3.
In the picture it meets the first criteria of breaking the outline. If the two corners are under the net, then it meets the second criteria of SC3.
I’m going to quote @Micahy321 here
This is the definition of the goal:
Goal – The Alliance-colored, netted structure on either side of the field, one red and one blue, into which Triballs can be scored for points.
As a Field Element, the term “Goal” refers to the net and all supporting structures / hardware (e.g. PVC pipes and plastic bases).
As a scoring and gameplay element, the “Goal” refers specifically to the three-dimensional volume bounded by a vertical projection of the outermost PVC pipes onto the field and below the surface of the net.
This is the definition of scored:
<SC3> A Triball is considered Scored in a Goal if it meets the following criteria:
It is crystal clear from OP’s picture that the pictured triball satisfies both points of SC3, therefore it is scored. There is no “Referee discretion” here, this is black and white in the rules. The triball is scored.
No, in that tournament they counted it in goal, I was allianced with you in that match so I witnessed it too.
think you are making an inference that within the goal is the same thing as under the net. However, in this situation, you cannot assume that. I believe the triball is scored since the two corners are within and under the perimeter of the goal and under the net (If I can see the picture clearly).
In hindsight, I agree with what you have said when considering the entire triball within the context of it being scored or not, but the game manual (in the context of SC3b) refers specifically to two corners of the triball being ‘under the net,’ which is the case in the OP’s image with two corners of the triball within the vertical planes of the goal and under the net, or otherwise ‘within the goal.’
